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We are responsible for the decisions and choices we make. Sometimes we are on target. Sometimes we are wrong. Sometimes we make the world a better place. Sometimes not. That being said, what about the power of beginning again.

Wow, you mean nobody killed babies ever back before there were "liberals" or a "pro-choice/pro-abortion crowd"?

"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." -Psalm 137:9

The bible is full of examples of God killing babies. I mean, aside from floods and plagues and destroying entire cities—which generally have babies in them—there are many other examples. Like Deuteronomy:

31 The LORD said to me, "See, I have begun to deliver Sihon and his country over to you. Now begin to conquer and possess his land."

32 When Sihon and all his army came out to meet us in battle at Jahaz, 33 the LORD our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. 34 At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed [c] them—men, women and children. We left no survivors.

I mean, of course, I don't believe any of that—the parts that have God telling people what to do, that is, since I find the concept of God ridiculous—but you do, and it's pretty clear that God doesn't really have any problem with babies being killed.

But yeah, you should hold the pro-choice/pro-abortion crowd and Obama responsible for this baby's death, instead of the person who did it, since you don't apparently believe in personal responsibility.

If you don't believe any of it, why bother even bringing it up? You don't see me quoting the Quaran.

The Bible is unapologetically real. Psalm 137 is not a commandment, it is a song expressing a sentiment. There are plenty of examples of quotations from people who are expressing some very wrong ideas. The Bible was intended to be read and understood, not just read with each verse in isolation.

As for God killing people, even babies, God has the authority to take life just as He created it. Your statement that "God doesn't really have any problem with babies being killed" is ridiculous, and you know it. Just because God does something, or commands someone to do something at one time, doesn't mean that God wishes or desires that in perpetuity.

I will hold the pro-aborts and Obama responsible for this baby's death. And the person who committed the murder should absolutely be dead already. What part of that indicates that I don't believe in personal responsibility? Everyone involved in that baby's death should be held personally responsible. Got it?

If you don't believe any of it, why bother even bringing it up? You don't see me quoting the Quaran.

I would hope you'd quote the Koran, if you were arguing with a Muslim trying to point out how flawed his beliefs are. Of course I don't believe it—but you do, which is the reason I bring it up.

As for God killing people, even babies, God has the authority to take life just as He created it. Your statement that "God doesn't really have any problem with babies being killed" is ridiculous, and you know it.

The only reason my quote is ridiculous in my eyes is because I find the concept of God itself ridiculous, so of course my quote is nonsensical—as ridiculous as it would be if I were talking about what Santa does or does not have a problem with.

Just because God does something, or commands someone to do something at one time, doesn't mean that God wishes or desires that in perpetuity.

How do you know?

If God is all-seeing, all-knowing, and has absolute, omnipotent power to do anything or prevent anything, then it's he who is ultimately responsible for everything that happens. Nothing in the universe can happen without his allowing it to do happen—unless you're saying there are things he is absolutely powerless over. So how can abortion not have his tacit approval?

Since he has not seen fit to communicate directly with anyone on earth and bestow upon us any new texts in thousands of years (unless you believe the Muslims, Mormons, etc) then the fact is that you have absolutely no idea what God is thinking or desires, or whether or not he may have changed his mind about something. He has the power to change his mind, right?

You have absolutely no way of saying that God doesn't approve of abortion or that Barack Obama is not his favored candidate.

Your general attitude toward God is convenient, but it doesn't really fly in arguments. Instead of talking about God, let's say we were arguing about whether or not something was fair. Instead of having a real debate, you could just say "I don't believe in fairness" and there could be no argument. Before you begin to argue about absolute morality, you have to at least agree that there is such a thing.

The premise of your "if" (as in "If God is x, y, and z") is wrong. God is not necessarily all-knowing. He is not a slave to knowledge, and can choose whether or not He wishes to know something (for example, what a homo in Seattle did in his bedroom at 2am this morning). Your second assertion that knowing something and not acting on it is tacit approval is also ridiculous. You know that there will be a fatal traffic accident today. And if you do not go out there and try to stop it, you are tacitly approving the deaths of that accident. Right? I also know that a baby will be killed at an abortion mill today, and I will not bust down the doors and stop it. That must mean that I am okay with abortions, yes? Again, your argument is absurd and I think you know it.

You're right that God has not communicated with us directly for a couple thousand years. But based on the texts He has given us, we can get a pretty good idea of what He likes and dislikes. And we also see that He can and sometimes does change His mind, however, His nature does not change. And if His nature is to hate evil, then that would include abortion and Obama.

But this entire argument is futile anyway, because you do not believe in God, and therefore do not believe in absolute morality. So to you, nothing is right or wrong.

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